Allenstown Budget Committee

Minutes – 11/21/2002

 

Members Present:  David Eaton, Jennifer Morin, Ben Fontaine, Carol Angowski, Tom Irzyk, Gabby Daneault, Henriette Girard, Karen Gendreau, Gene Vallee, Mona McCready, Robin McAfee and Carol Merrill

 

Excused Absent:  Colin Egan, Don Bergevin

 

Others Present:  Lou Conley, Evelyn Guilbeault, Lucy MacIsaac, Donna Meadows, Dave Dziura, Tony Silva, Shaun Mulholland and Jim Rodger

 

Dave Eaton called the meeting to order at 7:10 p.m.

 

Lou Conley then began to explain the School District Budget.  The School Board has established three focuses for the school budget.  They are: does the district have a spending problem, what has happened to the school district tax rate, and are there issues with the facilities.

 

The Allenstown School District five year tax rate history; 1999-2000 was the first year of the settlement with the Claremont Lawsuit.  The actual tax rate after the settlement was $16.34, the actual tax rate for the 2002-2003 year is $16.10.    This rate was attributed to two factors, assessed valuation and the surplus.  The assessed valuations went up $21 million and the $597,000 surplus.

 

Fund 1expenditures

 

This is the part of the warrant article that is to be raised by taxes or state aid.  The tax rate was $19.92 for 2000/01 and last year it was $18.33 there was an increase of $291,025 or 5.1%.  High School Tuition had a total increase of 2.7%, K-12 Special Education had an increase of 12% increase.  The K-8 expenditures are 2/3rd of the operating budget with an increase of 3.5%.  The cost of living has increase 3%.   Since 1998-99 the average rate of increase for the K-8 expenditures has been 2.3%.

 

There are 155 school districts in the State of New Hampshire, the State recommends that the average cost per student in the State be $7,000.  79 of the 155 school district spend more than that amount.  The other 76 spend less that than amount.  Allenstown is 14th from the bottom, spending $5,455 per student. 

 

Tom Irzyk then reviewed the proposed budget.  The proposed budget is $7,253,370 with a default budget of $7,098,898.  The difference is approximately $155,000.  The only articles that will be presented are the budget and a proposal of building an addition to the school. 

 

The Fund 1 budget will be $6,992,023, the Fund 2 budget (Federal Projects) $122,500, Fund 4 budget (School lunch program) $138,847 for a total of $7,253,370.  The Fund 1 increase is a 3.5% increase.

 

The five largest areas of increase are special education, contracted salary/benefits (this is the second year of the teacher contracts); non-union salary increases; instructional equipment and then to restore budget cuts from last year’s budget.

 

The proposed initiatives are adding a computer teacher, foreign language teacher, ARD computerized report cards; conference and replace the phone system.

 

Tony Silva then spoke on areas that he feel needs to be done to improve the educational process. 

 

Computer Teacher – In the past three years that Tony has been here, the school district has made major financial expenditures, from the operating budget and through State and Federal grants, to improve the technology in the building.  The improvement has been significant.  Each classroom has at least two modern computers, there are now two computer labs that are located in one of the 8th grade classrooms and one of the 5th grade classrooms with 12 computers each, there is also a computer lab in the elementary school.  We are in the process of transitioning from MacIntosh to PC in the elementary school as well and there is at least one piece of modern technology in every classroom at the elementary school. 

 

But there are no regularly scheduled computer classes.  The computer instruction that is conducted now is such that is conducted by regular classroom teachers.  Most school districts have a dedicated computer teacher.  This computer teacher will work with students in grades K-8, at the elementary school they will teacher entry level skills such as keyboarding and some simplistic elementary school software to such things as sophisticated as working with Microsoft Office and graphic type of programs such as Page Maker and Photo Shop. 

 

We are exposing these programs to the students but not as extensively as could happen with a computer teacher on staff. 

 

Foreign Language Teacher – This teacher will be working at the Dupont School only.  Foreign Language instruction is becoming an important part of the middle school curriculum.  This will introduce the students to basic levels of foreign language.  Some of the other sending districts to Pembroke Academy have completed either French I or Spanish I level of foreign language instruction.  So when then go to High School, they are able to go right into a level II foreign language program.  This is a very useful tool in helping students in understanding the English language. 

 

Computerized Report Cards - There is a student management program, MMS, that is a computer-based program that is a student database.  We have the basis MMS program to record all attendance, but we would like to purchase another component of this program that is a report card system.  This system allows us to do many things that we are unable to do now or that takes a lot of time.  We just ended the first marking period, and he has spend time looking at each students reports cards.  As the years go on, we would be able to look at trends with students and trends with groups of students.  This is difficult when you are flipping through report cards with one hand and making notes with the other. 

 

By having a program such as this, it would eliminate the numbers of hours that it takes to look at each individual.  By programming it into the software, we can make a better analysis, spend a lot more time in analyzing trends in the grade reporting system then in the actual management of that data.

 

Curriculum Leaders - We currently have four curriculum leaders and we have just completed a major curriculum revision for our school.  Through the State’s Best School’s program, it was a three year grant that provided the district with expertise in whatever initiative we felt was important in Allenstown.  We felt 2 ½ years ago that our curriculum needed a lot of work.  At the last School Board meeting, the last curriculum was presented to the School Board and officially adopted, this was the English and Language Arts section.  We have sharpened our ability to identify what we want the kids to know and what we want them to be able to do.

 

Now we have a tougher job in deciding how to implement the curriculum, what types of things do we need to do make sure that we are doing what the curriculums call for us to do.  By adding two additional curriculum leaders, it will increase our opportunities in implementing this project, specifically in the areas of collecting and analyzing data and in researching Best practices.  These are techniques that the school will be using, teaching strategies that we are going to be using to deliver the curriculum to the students.  

 

He has also requested that some members of the Steering Committee participate in a Best Practice Conference.  We do not know where these conferences will be held, but we hope that by participating in this conference, is to be able to go and listen to people in areas where we feel we need to strengthen our curriculum.

 

One of the areas we will be looking at is how we teach reading in Allenstown.  There are a lot of techniques and strategies that are employed in teaching reading, we need to, over the course of this year, to identify specifically in the reading area what types of things we feel we need to strengthen our skills on, identify a conference that will have people who are learned in this area and send people to this conference and come back with this information.  The curriculum leaders will then become trainers for the other teachers. 

 

Most of you have heard about the federal legislation called No Child Left Behind that President Bush has pushed forward.  This has placed additional demands on school districts, and has placed a higher level of accountability on the districts.  One of the areas that is addressed is the area of educational assistants.  We currently employ 25 to 30 educational assistants.  There are no basis for level of requirements at this time as to what training they need to be employed in that area.  The new federal legislation is going to have some requirements in place by the 2005-2006 school year.  This will require that all education assistants have a minimum of an Associates Degree or have passed some standard passed by the Department of Education.  We need to be able to find and create opportunities for the education assistants to attend workshops so that they can assist us and we can assist them in meeting this requirement.

 

Telephone System Replacement

 

A bid has been received from two companies to replace the telephone equipment for ARD and AES, with the hopes of tying in both schools with one system.  This would allow both schools to communicate with each other by dialing an extension for the other school.  Currently there are two lines at each school.  The main problem with the phone system is that, no one can figure out when it was put in, we know that it is not manufactured anymore and we cannot get parts for the system, the telephones are also no longer manufactured.  Maintaining the phone system is becoming a real burden.  If something goes wrong with a major component, the school could be without a phone for days.  The $10,000 that is in this initiative would allow us to replace the phone systems in both schools and to get it modernized. 

 

Budget Warrant Article Summary

 

The total proposed budget is $7,253,370 it is higher then the default budget by $154,472, it is a difference of 3.5%.

 

Tax impact

 

The current tax rate for this year is $16.10 per thousand.  Over the last three years, there has been an average decrease of 8.7%.  What we are proposing for this budget is an increase of $1.84 for a rate of $17.94 per thousand. 

 

Bond Proposal

 

Tom stated that when the kindergarten addition was built, it went on quickly.  We were the first School District to apply for the grant money to build the addition and we were the first School District to be approved for funding.  We have been looking at a building project for quite some time, last year we asked in a warrant article for money to be put aside in a warrant article for an architect to begin this project.  Currently we are looking to replace a bond that is about to run out.  This bond for ARD was at an interest rate of 7.1%, currently the bond rates are 3.7%.  The time is right because the rates are so low. 

 

The proposal would be to move the 5th grade from ARD back to AES.  This would make ARD a junior high.  We would like to add 9 classrooms at AES and renovate some existing space at AES, like office space.  If the 5th grade is not moved there will be major issues at ARD.  Currently there are three 5th grades at ARD, the proposed number of students coming over next year would required four 5th grade classrooms.  With the other classes maintained here, we are short a classroom already.  We do not have the room to house the number of children that will be coming over to ARD.

 

There will be a public forum on December 11 at AES, we are asking everyone to please come.  We will run through a presentation, and will ask for the communities input to show them what we are going through and what we hope to accomplish.

 

The School Board has sent the initiative to an advisory committee, the ABC Committee; there are currently 10 people on that committee.  We will meet with the architect and construction managers who are already in place.

 

Lou stated that the School Board is proposing a very modest increase, 3.5%, for the total Fund I budget.  With the way things are now, with the facilities the way they are, and with the impact it is having on learning and teaching and with the bond rates as they are, what we are looking to do is have a zero impact between the bond for the purchase and renovation on ARD and the new bond which would add an addition to AES.  We are looking to get as close to a zero increase as possible.    That is why there is such a modest increase in the proposed budget.  This is the best time to go for a building project.

 

Dave asked if there would be any State or Federal aid available for the building project, Lou stated yes it would be State aid.  The District still receives $3,000 to $4,000 per year over the next 15 years above the 75% that the State has already paid.  This new project aid would be 30%. 

 

Carol A. asked if the proposed addition would be a second floor over the Kindergarten, Lou stated that right now it is up to the building committee to discuss this with the construction manager and architect.  But from what we have seen so far, it may be the plan.  The kindergarten was built with the idea that a second floor would be able to be added above it. 

 

Carol A. asked if the architect was hired from the current budget.  Lou stated yes.  Currently the District is projecting a $150,000 surplus from high school tuition.  We think that we can get the amount of money needed to contract the architect for the preliminary design. 

 

Tom stated that they are committed to make whatever cuts to the budget to hire the architect because they feel it is that important.

 

Lou stated that last year they were looking for $200,000 from surplus to make the complete design, and this was defeated.

 

Tom stated the construction manager is currently working free of charge and he will do what he needs to do without cost until the building project begins.  So far we have not spent any money for the construction.

 

Henriette asked how much the engineering cost were, Lou stated that they had just voted on this to not cost over $21,700.  What the District gets for this is, the construction manager is at zero cost until the construction begins.  What we need is someone who will be there all the time and will have the hands-on knowledge of what is going on.  He will work with the architect to provide this service. 

 

The $21,700 (it should be less then that) is for the drawings, in order for any type of renovations you must have a mechanical engineer to check the heating and ventilation, an electrical engineer and a civil engineer.  Before any type of construction begins, someone has to come in to survey and make sure that we are really building on our property and make sure we are not too close to the boundary lines.  Soil testing must also be done. 

 

David Dzuira stated that the engineering cost is the biggest part of the $21,700.  The architect has to be able to go out and hire engineers to make sure the building is able to handle more rooms or is there going to be problems with the boiler, electrical requirements are looked at also.  This will allow him to draw up the plans which the construction manager can then look at and give an estimate of the cost and they a warrant article can be written.  The cost also includes the architect coming to any public forums that are held. 

 

Lou stated that the Budget committee needs to review the budget and prepare recommendations which must be done no later than January 14, 2003.  The School Board will meet with the Budget Committee on December 5, 2002 to answer any questions.

 

Lou stated that the sheet listing the 2003-2004 Budget Development shows increases over $1,500 and the bottom part shows areas of decrease.  Lou then stated that a lot of the lines change, some are over and some are under, since last year we ended up in a surplus in repairs and a deficit in new items because it was not feasible to fix an old one, it was better to buy new. 

 

Pembroke Academy

 

If it was a perfect world, these would be the numbers for grades 9, 10, 11, and 12.  If the number of seniors that are at the school right now graduated and moved on and the number of 8th graders that are at ARD left ARD and moved on to PA, there would be 242 students at a cost of $7,025 per student, the cost would be $1,7 million.  As in other years, we have reduced that number.  We are very comfortable that at least 12 students will not show up or drop out.  That is why the high school tuition line is now at $1,615,750.

 

Henriette asked what the lowest figure is for the high school, Lou stated that the $7,025 is the tuition cost for PA.

 

It is feasible that the number of students may be at the 242 level or it may increase by only one.  There is no way of knowing.

 

David Dzuira stated that the tuition is paid three times per year.  Mona asked what happens if no one drops out.  Lou stated that the money must come from the budget, and something else must be cut. 

 

Lou stated that last year the District returned $597,000 to the Town, and most of this was from special education and high school tuition.  Lou stated that this money could have been used to increase the amount of spending per student if they had known that it would be left over.

 

The School Board has voted to have no less than 15 students per class. 

 

Gene asked how old the boiler was at the school, no one is sure.  Has it been working fine, yes, but some of the problems are that as the parts wear out you cannot find replacement parts for it.

 

Gene asked if there was money in the budget to pay for any problems like this, Lou stated that there is a maintenance expendable trust that is around $38,000 in it.  There is also an expendable trust for high school tuition and for special education, there is also a technology one which has just over $4,000.  Gene asked if $38,000 was enough for a boiler, no, but if it turned that the boiler was not large enough to handle the addition, the State would pay 30% of the new boiler. 

 

David Dzuira stated that in the high school tuition trust there is $11,817 in the technology trust there is $4,053, the maintenance trust has $38,267 and in the Special Education trust there is $36,653.

 

 

 

 

Default Budget

 

This has everything that the State and DRE requires the District to have in a default budget.  It is basically this year’s budget with any contractual obligations that must be fulfilled. 

 

Estimated Revenues

 

We are projecting revenues from grants, nutrition program, tuition, lunch sales, etc. to be $4,802,961.  Having a surplus makes it difficult to budget things.  This drops the tax rate and also makes the gap between what we have this year and what we are projecting for next year larger.

 

So the proposed expenditures for Fund I, II and IV (food service) is $7,253,430, this is the number that the voters will be voting on, less estimated revenues, leaving the appropriation to be raised by taxes to be $2,450,469.  The estimated local tax rate plus the estimated State portion making the estimated tax rate to be $17.94. 

 

Since the Town is in a three year program to reassess the property values, the District tried to get a more accurate tax rate for next year.  The Town was just assessed at $183,000,000. Usually next year’s tax rate is based on this year’s tax rate.  Looking at what has happened over the last two year and forecasting into next year, from 2000 to 2001 we went up 18.6%, the following year it increased 24.7% and last year 12.8%, for next year we went up 5.5% which came up to about $10 million.  So to try to get a more realistic tax rate for next year, we added $10 million dollars to this year’s assessment to get a more accurate tax rate.

 

Henriette asked how set the education tax rate of $5.26, David Dzuira stated that this is set by state law.  Right now it is set at $6.30 but not every Town pays this amount.  It must be adjusted to equalized one community to another.   Allenstown’s property values at 93% of the true property taxes, on the other hand Pembroke is at 67%, and an adjustment is made.  So Pembroke’s Statewide Property Tax will be higher than Allenstown’s until they do their reevaluation. 

 

Henriette asked if all field trips were cut, yes from the operating budget.

 

Dave then reviewed the December schedule, December 5 we will meet with Donna Meadows to review the Tax, Health and Welfare budgets and then the school budget.

 

December 12 we will review Building Inspector, Library and Highway budgets, Tom stated that there is a School board meeting that night.

 

December 19 we will review Tri-Town Ambulance, Cemetery, Capital Outlay, Health Agencies, Personnel and if we have time in the other meetings, we can try to get these small ones out.  On December 19 we will also be reviewing the Sewer Department.  So if we can go the smaller ones before, we will only have to review the Tri-Town Ambulance and Sewer on December 19.

 

After we have reviewed all the budgets, we need to look at the whole picture.   Usually we meet in between Christmas and New Years, so since Christmas is on a Wednesday, we can either meet on December 26 or January 2 to review the warrant articles and final review of the budgets.  If a lot of people are not going to be here it may be better to wait until January 2.  Tom, Gene and few other people stated that they would not be around, so the meeting will be January 2, 2003.

 

Parks and Recreation

 

Carol A. made a motion to untable the Parks and Recreation budget, Gene seconded.  The motion passed unanimously.

 

Karen began by giving an overview of what has been happening with the Parks and Recreation commission.  We started off the year by having our warrant article for a recreation department director denied.  Then a couple of the commissioners resigned and two new commissioners were appointed with one vacant seat. 

 

We then had to let go the recreation director and we have worked since then to re-open the center, at renovating the center and doing a lot of public relations.

 

The Renaissance program helped the center do a summer program.  The kids and parents have stated that this was an excellent program.  We are very grateful to the Renaissance program for this program.

 

The ball fields, this was put on hold because the Army Corps of Engineers were being deployed, so this got put on hold.

 

The other commissioner was appointed.  This commissioner has worked with the toddler group and opens the center once a week.  So the three commissioners are Karen Gendreau, Jim Rodger and Patty Gardner.

 

After the ball fields were put on hold Jim did a lot of public relations work by getting some articles put in the newspaper and Keyspan Energy came forward and offered to do a lot of the work for free and since then PSNH and Advanced Excavation and Paving from Allenstown have also offered to help out.  It looks like the ball parks will be done with little or no money to the Town.   Carol A. asked if the fields are now on hold until spring, yes.  Shaun Mulholland stated that they would try to do what they can depending on the weather. 

 

Shaun then started speaking with the Concord Girls and Boys Club about opening a satellite office.  It seemed like a viable option.  They come in and lease the building and run the center.  There will be at least two people there every day or six days a week.  So, everyday and probably on Saturday the center would be open for the children at no salary cost to the Town.  The major cost to the Town is the upkeep of the building. 

 

The commissioners met with the Boys and Girls Club, we talked about what we were looking for in Allenstown, that we did not have a lot of funds to give and it looked like it was a go.  We had to find some funding.  We had a pizza party, this was already being planned due to some of the renovations, but it turned out to be a way to get the town’s people to see the Boys and Girls club, and for the Boys and Girls to see the Rec Center and see what type of support there was. This turned out to be a huge success.  This showed the Boys and Girls club that this is obviously a need in the Town and there is obviously enthusiasm and support among the Town’s people.

 

Then we had a meeting between the executive committee and the Allenstown officials (Selectmen, Budget committee members, Police Department) and we had the Hopkinton satellite office of the Concord Boys and Club there to talk about their experience.  The major thing to be done is funding.

 

This is especially important, the Boys and Girls club needs to see there is support from the Town for funding and then they needs to get funds themselves.

 

2003 Budget Request

 

It has been prepared with the premise the Boys and Girls Club will be opening the Rec Center, however, should that for some reason not happen, our budget has only increased $2,190 over our proposed budget now considering the Boys and Girls Club. 

 

The total budget to open the center is $90,000 of which Allenstown total budget will be $27,520.  This amount includes not only the maintenance of the Rec Center, it also includes mowing the lawns at the Rec Center, the Town Hall and maintaining the ball parks.

 

The Boys and Girls Club is really paying the major part to fund the Rec Center.  There is a decrease in last year’s budget of 35%.

 

Summer Program - $6,000 this is the same as last year and will still be run by the Renaissance Program.

 

Program Contracts – programming for the center – if the Boys and Girls Club does not take over, we are looking into Federal work-study programs with colleges.  Patty Gardner is currently working with Plus Time, which is a non-profit organization that does funding for different types of programs.  This line would be $1,500.

 

Building Repairs and Maintenance - $3,000

 

Equipment Repairs and Maintenance - $2,000 this would cover computers and lawn mowers.

 

Program Supplies - $1,200 – this would be to have supplies to run the program within the center, either with or without the Boys and Girls club.

 

Office Supplies - $600 – paper, pencils, files, etc.

 

Advertising - $200 – promotional print ads, and employee advertising.

 

Transportation - $2,500 – this would be for buses to bring the kids on field trips. 

 

Postage - $360

 

Promotional Programs - $500 – this is for activities like the pizza party that we just had, Halloween party and Christmas parties.

 

Trash Removal - $1,200 – this should be a one-year cost.  We have already signed a purchase order for a dumpster and will probably need to set up an area for the dumpster (fence, platform, etc.).  Jim Boisvert will be picking up the trash for the Rec Center.  Shaun has already coordinated this with Jim and the Highway Department has already approved the dumpster. 

 

Landscaping - this will include the Town Hall, Ball Parks, and Rec Center.  We have estimated how many hours it will take to mow the lawns and this number also includes the gas, flowers, oil etc.  This line would be $1,500.

 

This leaves a total request of $27,520.

 

As of the last expense report that was printed there was approximately $27,000 left in the budget.  Some of this money is currently being spent to renovate the center, pizza party, etc.  Aside from this, the remaining money will be returned to the general fund to offset the tax rate.

 

Carol A. asked about the transportation, do the commissioners know how many trips this money will cover, no, it depends on how many students are signed up, how many students are regular members, how many students can fit on a bus, etc.

We really don’t know how many trips we will be taking, this is mostly for summer program.  Next year we will have a much better idea of the exact numbers.

 

Henriette asked if this cost would be without the Boys and Girls Club, no this number is with the Boys and Girls Club. 

 

Gene asked how they figured the price of heat would go down.  Karen stated that the Rec Center was open all of last winter, so the line was increased but not much.

 

Gene stated that the mowing of the Town Hall lawn will take more than20 hours.  Mona asked if this was in another section of the budget.  Karen stated no that it is in the Rec Center budget.

 

Karen stated that it was figured that it took two hours to mow the Town Hall lawn and it would be mowed 10 times.  Jim stated that with a riding lawn mower it would take about three hours.  Gene stated that if you are looking to do a really good job with weed wacking it would take about seven hours.  Jim stated that the first couple of times it was worked on, but it was figures that it was an average of three hours with the rider.

 

Henriette asked if the prior year request was for 2002, yes.  Henriette then stated that many of the lines were not used.  Karen stated yes it was because the Rec center was not open. 

 

Mona asked why $1,000 for the telephone.  Karen stated that they took the current numbers and projected it out for the whole year.  Jennifer asked if there were two lines at the Rec Center, yes. 

 

Carol M. asked about the Sewer and Water lines.  Usually the sewer is 2 to 2.5% higher than the water.  Karen stated that she did not really know, that they had just taken the numbers they had a projected them out for the rest of the year.  Karen stated that they took into consideration the water for the ice rink. 

 

Shaun stated that you have to remember that the water is not being used at the Rec Center now and the original budget planned for water to be used at the ball fields.  Shaun stated there is no sewer charge at the ball field just water.  Karen stated that the ball field water is not in this amount.  Should the sewer line be increased?  Carol M. stated that the fee is based on how much water comes in and they think twice as much goes out. 

 

Dave stated that you can’t figure this because of the ball park, which will be using a lot more water but will not affect the sewer.

 

Shaun stated there are no plans to drain water out of there for an ice field.  So it will not affect the water bill.

Karen stated that a lot of this is just an estimate to see what will happen because the center has not been opened.  We may be over budget or under budget just because we don’t know.  Shaun stated that a lot of the things we have proposed have not come to fruition, so instead of spending the money these commissioners did not do that recklessly, that is why there is $27,520 left.  I hope they will be fiscally frugal in the future as well. 

 

The plan for the ball field is that the organizations that are using them will maintain them.  There is a gap between baseball and soccer where we will have to maintain them.  That is why there is only 30 hours because the ball field alone will take quite a bit of time to maintain. 

 

The public meeting with the Boys and Girls Club scheduled for the 23rd has been cancelled because it was for public support that we already have.  It was also to present a proposal, but it is still too preliminary since they are still working on their budget.

 

Ben made a motion to accept the bottom line of $27,520, Tom seconded. 

 

Gene stated he would like to see the bottom line increased to $30,000, Tom asked if it would be better to wait until they have had a chance to run a full year’s budget and see what they will really expend. 

 

Gene stated that since they were good enough to return $14,000 to the Town and not spend it next year, if they don’t need the $2,480 they would return it next year.  Tom agreed, that they have already shown this.

 

Gene stated that he felt the budget is not enough, that they will run into a shortfall and they have to stop some of the programs.

 

Gene made a motion to add $2,480 to the bottom line, Mona seconded.

 

Tom asked about the motion that Ben made and he had seconded.  Dave stated that the process is that a motion is made on the bottom line; this motion opens up the whole budget to allow everyone to look at each line item and make amendments to the line items or, as Gene is doing, make an amendment to the bottom line.  You don’t vote on the motion right away.  Because once it is voted on, it cannot be changed. 

 

Tom asked if when someone makes a motion doesn’t a vote have to be asked for?  No.  Gene stated that all motions have to be made in the positive that is what Ben and you did.  This opens the budget for discussion and through the discussion an amendment can be made.  Dave stated what is really happening is that someone is amending the original motion. 

 

The committee then voted on the amendment to the bottom line, the motion passed with 6 yes votes, 3 no votes.

 

Gene made a motion to recess, Ben seconded.

 

The meeting was recessed at 8:58 p.m.